Pedophile Rights?

September 9, 2005

2–3 minutes

Steve Huff has a great entry about how pedophile activists are comparing themselves to gay right’s activists and comparing their “plight” to that of the gay-rights movement. I know I have a few gay readers out there. I’m curious to get your feedback on a quote from a pedophile forum that was provided to me from Steve’s entry…

Anyway, I was reading on Wikipedia about the gay rights movement and other sexual revolutions. On the “Gay Rights” article, I found a list of general points usually agreed upon by the gay libaration movement. I thought I’d try to adapt them to the pedophile liberation movement. For the reasons I mentioned above, I specifically avoided including a lower AOC and legitimization of sex with children. So this is purely about social acceptance…

(…)The next sexual revolution (which is just barely starting), I believe, will be about age. It will lead to increased acceptance and open-mindedness toward alternative aetasexual orientations, and it will be accompanied closely by great triumphs in the youth rights movement, leading to much greater freedom for children and youth. These movements, which go hand in hand, are (very) slowly but surely beginning to make an impression on the collective consciousness of the western world. I’ve long been a fairly cynical person, yet I can now honestly say that I’m somehow beginning to feel it coming. The revolution will come, and it will come within the lifetimes of today’s youth. Not all of us will live to see it succeed in its goals — indeed, the gay rights movement really took off in the US almost 40 years ago, yet LGBT people are still widely persecuted and discriminated against — but I have a feeling that most of us will live to see the movement enter Phase II and begin making an impact…

Steve puts it best when he says that it comes down to the fact the hetero and homosexuality come down to the consent of adults. In pedophilia, there is no consent.

So my alternative lifestyle friends how do you feel that pedophiles are using you as the example to claim legitimacy for their repulsive behavior? Are you ok with this? I want to know.

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34 responses to “Pedophile Rights?”

EternalHearts

September 9, 2005 at 4:53 pm

As a lesbian, I’m disgusted by what that thing wrote. As you quoted Steve, homosexuality is between 2 adults. I’d go in, but it’d be redundant and would get me nowhere but angry since I’m already preching to the choir.

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Steve

September 9, 2005 at 6:46 pm

EternalHearts, I’m not at all surprised by your feelings. Any gay friends with whom I’ve discussed this subject feel the same way, and are sometimes angry with others in the community who they feel don’t speak out enough about it. I, for one, have never confused the two, and am angered when people do. Adults making their own choices with their lives are a world away from an easily-beguiled and manipulated kid.

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error404

September 9, 2005 at 6:57 pm

The more crap I read written by pedophiles who are attempting to both justify and normalise their perverse behaviour, the more sickened and outraged I feel.

From what I’ve seen and experienced, pedophiles can’t be reasoned with, no more than a rabid dog can be reasoned with. They are devious, manipulative fucks who will go to any lengths in order defend their ‘rights’ to destroy innocent children and their families.

I doubt that pedophiles will ever get it into their heads that it isn’t their choice of gender that outrages society – it is their choice of AGE.

Society will NEVER accept the perverse urges of pedophiles as being ‘normal’ – and thank christ for that.

Insofar as I’m concerned, when a pedophile says they are unable to change their perverted behaviour, and in turn try to have society accept THEIR sick beliefs, then they lose any entitlement to have ANY rights as a functioning human being in society.

And for the sakes of all children and families who want to live safely – they should be ‘removed from society’ for good.

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Trench

September 9, 2005 at 7:06 pm

Error, sorry I had to remove the link you posted. But I agree with every point you made.

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error404

September 9, 2005 at 9:03 pm

Trench – no worries, sorry about that, after reading Steve Huff’s site I understand why you removed it.

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Johnny

September 10, 2005 at 7:37 am

I wonder what that guy meant with “youth rights movement, leading to much greater freedom for children and youth.” What rights does he think kids deserve. The right to vote, or maybe to smoke and drink and drive? I’ve met a lot of kids who shouldn’t even have the right to choose the clothes that they wear. But then again, I’m sure the pedophile likes seeing little girls wear clothes that say “skank” and “booty.”

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Mike Schuler

September 10, 2005 at 1:39 pm

The “youth rights movement” that the pedophiles talk about in their manfestos, is a call to change laws to take away parental controls over your children, in order to allow children to have sex with pedophiles against their parents wishes. These delusional fruitcakes think it is unfair to your children to deprive them of the chance to have sex with strange insane perverts who can only see themselves as victims and society as their vicitimizers.

All pedophiles who are not currently in prison, are just sex offenders who have not been caught yet. All pedophiles are manipulative, deceptive, and secretive. They can never be cured, and they never age out of it. I know that the process of changing laws is slow, but it is in progress. I predict that in 10 years time, the One Strike Law will be the law of the land. On the first offense, they’ll get locked up forever and the key will be thrown away. http://www.OneStrikeLaw.org

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Kaliko Kat

September 11, 2005 at 8:37 pm

You: I wonder what that guy meant with “youth rights movement, leading to much greater freedom for children and youth.” What rights does he think kids deserve. The right to vote, or maybe to smoke and drink and drive?

Me: Smoking should be illegal. Or at least smoking around children. Drinking is almost as bad. The rights I think kids should have are the rights to vote, to see/buy porn if they want to, and the right to have sex with each other if they want.

You: I’ve met a lot of kids who shouldn’t even have the right to choose the clothes that they wear. But then again, I’m sure the pedophile likes seeing little girls wear clothes that say “skank” and “booty.”

Me: Actually, I prefer traditional clothes like skirts and mary janes and so on. Those slutty clothes do nothing for me. It’s cuteness I’m attract to mostly.

Kaliko Kat, founder of Pedophiles Against Child Molestation.

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Kaliko Kat

September 11, 2005 at 8:41 pm

I think any pedophile who advocates changing the age of consent laws is a moron and needs to get their priorities straight. I don’t want acceptance of illegal behavior, I just want to be able to talk about my problem (being attracted to little girls) and still be considered a human being with a right to live. It’s because of this that I hate NAMBLA. They’ve got their priorities fucked up.

Kat

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Trench

September 11, 2005 at 9:12 pm

You are about to receive the biggest verbal smackdowns ever seen on my site. I can guarantee it will be of epic preportions. And if you comment again on my site don’t bother posting your URL. It has been blacklisted.

If you call pedophilia a problem then why don’t you seek help for it rather than wallowing in it trying to prove that your sickness should be accepted?

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Kaliko Kat

September 11, 2005 at 9:27 pm

You don’t think I’ve tried? I’ve tried getting help, and even when I manage to get shrinks who don’t call me a monster for being this way, nothing has made me normal. Even the experts agree, pedophilia cannot be cured. They say it’s because it’s a mental illness, I say it’s because it’s a sexuality.

Anyway, the only thing that’s helped me is loving myself and immersing myself in my spirituality. I am a devout believer in “Conversations With God” by Neale Donald Walsch and other similar books, such as “Dark Side of the Light Chasers” by Debbie Ford. By learning to love myself, I learned how to truly love others. It’s because of this that I decided, before even knowing any other pedos online, that I was going to be child-celibate.

It’s easy enough for me. I like adults sexually, too. But some people aren’t so lucky. “Exclusives” (those who are ONLY pedophiles) are rare, but I know a few. Their burden is even harder than mine, since they must deny themselves love altogether in order to protect the children they are in love with from themselves.

I’ve been so helped by my spirituality and self-esteem boosting that I’ve dedicated my life to helping others with the same and similar problems. That’s why I founded Pedophiles Against Child Molestation, because I believe that while we can’t help what we are, we can help how we act.

Your anger at me is understandable. You’ve been told by everyone you know and everything you’ve experienced that pedophiles are liars and predators. It’s not your fault that you can’t distinguish “pedophile” from “child molester.” So I don’t hate you. You are God, just as we all are, but you just don’t know it yet. It’s okay, I still struggle with mastering life too. It’s not an easy path, but if Jesus can do it, so can we all. After all, it was he who said, “Ye are gods” and that “all this and more, you can do too.”

Go ahead and say what you want. I will listen. And I need not get angry, for I know that one day my wish will be granted and all people will be treated as people no matter what. I may not live to see it, but it will happen.

I sincerely hope you have a gorgeous day! 🙂

Kat

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Kaliko Kat

September 11, 2005 at 9:43 pm

A couple more things quickly, that I must say:

You: So my alternative lifestyle friends how do you feel that pedophiles are using you as the example to claim legitimacy for their repulsive behavior? Are you ok with this? I want to know.

Me: “Pedophilia” refers only to the attraction, the fantasies. One does not have to act on them. A “pedophile” is not necessarily a child rapist. And, considering that the FBI says that over 80% of child rapes are done by family members who do not test positive as pedophiles (that is, they don’t get aroused by pedophilic stimuli), child molesters are also not necessarily pedophiles. So your statement is rendered completely null and void. Serial child molesters are usually pedophiles, yes, but they are more often than not in denial about what they are, or have listened to society’s lies and believed that their pedophilia makes them monsters.

Do you not get it? People who are told they are monsters will act like that, if they don’t have the intelligence to question society. SOCIETY IS THUS CREATING ITS OWN ENEMIES.

Secondly:

I’m not obsessed with children. I used to be, when I was in denial. But not anymore. The attraction is a part of me, yes, but not a dominant part. It’s been my experience that denial makes the things you deny control you. Those parts of you that you deny just want attention, and if they can’t have it legitimately, they take over. I used to follow little girls around, I admit that. I was struggling internally enough to never go beyond following, but it happened. I’m not proud of it.

When I stopped denying what I was and started looking for answers with my spirituality, I got better. Now I rarely leave the house except to go to work or to go on nightly walks. I live in Iowa, so there’s never anyone outside at night (except a few adults here and there).
I used to masturbate several times a day. Now I rarely do it more than once a week. I’ve even stopped looking up pictures of children, for the most part. I never did look up anything illegal, but there was once a time that any image of a child titilated me and I was obsessed with collecting all pictures of them I could find. Now I just consider such a thing a waste of time. It cuts out the time I could be helping others.

So there is the lesson – it is by following what society thinks pedophiles should do that I came closest to becoming the very monster they think I am. Only by questioning society and becoming spiritual did I overcome my problem. Like they say, you can’t cure pedophilia. But I’ve learned to make it just another part of me. One I can never fulfill entirely, but then, it has the attention it needs. I don’t dwell on it, but I give it attention when it pops up. I’m like, “Oh hi there pedophilia. Yes, yes, she is quite cute. Too bad she’s off limits. Oh well. Now where did I put the TV remote?”

Peace be with you,
– Kat

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error404

September 13, 2005 at 3:45 am

Kaliko Kat says: “Do you not get it? People who are told they are monsters will act like that, if they don’t have the intelligence to question society. SOCIETY IS THUS CREATING ITS OWN ENEMIES.”

No ‘healthy-minded’ person in society wants to think that they may, even in some minute way, contribute to putting a child in society at risk, you have therefore, cleverly rendered your ‘audience’ silent, as silent as a compliant child…

Bravo. You have not only mastered the fine art of ‘self control’ you have also mastered the fine art of manipulation, but then, I personally believe that you mastered the latter technique a long time ago.

Nothing that you are saying is new or enlightening. Many a pedophile and child molestor have spun the same sentimental yarn – I for one will never fall for it because I have encountered someone like you in reality.

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Kaliko Kat

September 13, 2005 at 10:49 am

You: No ‘healthy-minded’ person in society wants to think that they may, even in some minute way, contribute to putting a child in society at risk, you have therefore, cleverly rendered your ‘audience’ silent, as silent as a compliant child…

Me: You’re right, no healthy minded person wants to think that they may contribute in any way to putting a child at risk. Which is why, when I realized that I was sexually attracted to little girls, I was devestated. I had always known myself as a good and kind person, and to think I was a pedophile… I believed the stereotypes that all pedophiles were evil people. It took me years to sort out my feelings, and only my mom and dad kept me sane and alive during that time.

Eventually, I decided I was a freak among freaks. I could see the headlines for the freak show already: “Look at the incredible conscientious pedophile! Five dollar admission!” Once this happened, and I made the solemn vow to be harmless to kids, I would have just gone about my life in my quiet agony and might have died an old man who had been lonely his whole life, maybe even bitter and angry from not being able to tell anyone my secret. But then I stumbled across a web site of someone claiming to be like me. He had some ideas and advocated some things I didn’t. For one, I do not advocate changes to the age of consent laws. In this society, consent with a child is so unlikely… even if one finds a consenting child, there’s no telling how they’ll feel about it later as adults. And I couldn’t live with myself if I knew I had done that kind of harm to anyone, especially a child. So I remain child-celibate out of my love.

You: you have also mastered the fine art of manipulation, but then, I personally believe that you mastered the latter technique a long time ago.

Me: I couldn’t manipulate my way out of a wet paper bag. Anyone who knows me in real life would know that. Besides, I’m too shy. There’s this stereotype that pedophiles go for children because real women intimidate them. HA! I’m intimidated only by people I have a “crush” on. “Real women” are among my best friends, they don’t intimidate me at all. And I have a girlfriend currently who is older than me and is a formidable looking woman even to normal guys. But little girls I “crush” on intimidate me where she doesn’t. I cannot even find my voice around them, and I turn red as a beet. Then I get all weak in the knees.

Besides, my intelligence is in esoteric matters… I don’t have enough practical intelligence to abduct and rape a child even if I wanted to. During my denial phase, where I thought I was a monster and should act like one, I tried to plan ways to have my way with one girl in particular, but gave up after a month because I saw just how inept I was. Every plan I came up with had the police on me before I could even so much as kiss her. And it makes me sick now to think I ever thought such thoughts. It’s completely contrary to my nature.

You: Nothing that you are saying is new or enlightening. Many a pedophile and child molestor have spun the same sentimental yarn – I for one will never fall for it because I have encountered someone like you in reality.

Me: You may have met a child molester in reality, but you have not met anyone like me. Unless you don’t know what they are yet. You can’t tell by looking, you know.

Whatever, you’re hopeless. It’s like arguing with Christian fundamentalists. Nothing goes on upstairs, so knocking on the door only make echoes.

Kat

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Nickolaus A. Pacione

September 13, 2005 at 12:23 pm

They are going to love his ass in prison for the short life they are going to have. Immates love kiddie rapers. And this is a question to Katrina Kat, do you support kiddie rapers because by the way you sound you might want to end up fucking the kiddie raper. The sick bastard video taped himself raping an infant. I would pay to see John Walsh kicking the fucker’s ass. I saw this assholes livejournal and damn did it get trolled the shit out of. A pedophile is a kiddie raper, and the priest that was sent to prison got killed because he was a kiddie raper. Katrina Kat — you’re nothing but a kiddie raper. You sick cunt, they need to lock you up. Trench might of blacklisted you but I am going to do worst than blacklist your ass.

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Kaliko Kat

September 13, 2005 at 12:45 pm

Well I don’t have to worry about that, then. I’ve not done anything to get me in prison, nor do I plan on doing anything that will.

I have never had sex with a minor, at least not as an adult. I had sex with a minor who was a year older than me at the time. But none since. Nor do I intend to do so. Therefore, your comments are all a moot waste of time and binary code.

Kat

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Kaliko Kat

September 13, 2005 at 12:50 pm

PS = I’m a GUY you moron.

Kat

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error404

September 13, 2005 at 2:58 pm

Kaliko Kat says: “You may have met a child molester in reality, but you have not met anyone like me. Unless you don’t know what they are yet. You can’t tell by looking, you know”.

Me: No. I met a pedophile who decided to ‘come to terms’ with his perverse fantasies by taking them one step further.

Kaliko Kat says: “You can’t tell by looking, you know”.

Me: Now THAT fact I know all too well. I’m well versed in the perverse strategies that pedophiles use in order to acquire attention and feed their sick, egotistical fantasies.

Kaliko Kat says: “Now I rarely leave the house except to go to work or to go on nightly walks. I live in Iowa, so there’s never anyone outside at night (except a few adults here and there).
I used to masturbate several times a day. Now I rarely do it more than once a week. I’ve even stopped looking up pictures of children, for the most part”.

Me: And how long do you think your self-imposed form of imprisonment will work for? You are like a junkie trying to keep off crack, sooner or later you will want your ‘little-girl fix’. Countries have a legal system and prisons for people like yourself, these prisons ensure that when the pressures or victimisation from society become too much, or when the temptation for sick-minded people like yourself weighs too heavy – you can’t simply open the door and walk out.

Normal, healthy-minded people don’t go out and abuse children just because they are victimised or called monsters. Humane people inherently know right from wrong. They don’t blame society for their own actions.

Just because you are, (for now), managing to keep your perverse urges in check – it doesn’t make you a hero.

People who run into burning buildings to save others from flames are heros.

You are just a ‘kiddie junkie’ withdrawing in private.

The fact that you try to glorify your actions is sickening.

Kali kat says:Whatever, you’re hopeless. It’s like arguing with Christian fundamentalists. Nothing goes on upstairs, so knocking on the door only make echoes.

Me: Actually, I don’t believe in god, heaven or hell, which is why I take full responsibility for my own actions. In my books, there is no god who will give us redemption, because at the end of the day, all we have is here and now and ourselves to live with.

When a pedophile or child molestor blames society for their sick behaviour, it’s a cop-out, if they are influenced that readily to do behave in such a sick, destructive way, then all the more reason they should be behind bars – instead of being permitted to self-incarcerate themselves within the confines of their own home.

btw KaliKo Kat – you really donned your ‘Sunday Best Clothes’ when you came to this forum, your own blog is far more telling of your character.

If you are trying to avoid the temptation that looking at pictures of young girls presents, why do you link to a ‘Pre teen Luvers’ Ring Circle and post comments like ‘you’re so cute’ on the blogs of ‘little girls’?

Your words mean nothing – because your behaviour speaks for itself.

You are right, there is no point in arguing with me, because you know full well that I wont fall for your bullshit.

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Kaliko Kat

September 13, 2005 at 4:20 pm

Error: No. I met a pedophile who decided to ‘come to terms’ with his perverse fantasies by taking them one step further.

Me: You met a misguided fool who was not wise enough to question society’s claim that he was a monster, and thus became one. It would not have happened if people would treat all people with love and understanding. If all people treated others with compassion, love, and understanding, there would be no more child molesters, because pedophiles would never fall into the mistaken notion that by being a pedophile they are monsters and are expected to act as such.

Error: Now THAT fact I know all too well. I’m well versed in the perverse strategies that pedophiles use in order to acquire attention and feed their sick, egotistical fantasies.

Me: No, you’re well versed in the perverse strategies that serial CHILD MOLESTERS use in order to acquire attention and feed their sick, egotistical fantasies. Huge difference. Pedophiles are not necessarily molestors, and molesters are not necessarily really pedophiles. (Serial molesters tend to be misguided, selfish pedophiles, but incest abusers tend to not really be attracted to kids… rape in those instances is just one of convenience and constant frustration from the wife not providing sex. Inexcusible of course, though.)

You’re also well versed in the lie that all pedophiles are predators. I am not a predator in any definition of the word. I don’t seek out children, I don’t rape, I really only ever go out of my house to go to work, because most humans don’t interest me on any level. I detest small talk, for one thing, and most people have nothing of interest to say.

Furthermore, I am not even a predator in the food department, either… I am a vegetarian.

Error: And how long do you think your self-imposed form of imprisonment will work for?

Me: If I thought of it as a self-imposed imprisonment, it wouldn’t last long at all. But I don’t. I’m not forcing myself to do this. I was at first, sort of, but given that I have never really been very interested in other human beings, it became easy. Oh, I get lonely sometimes, but that’s what my (adult) girlfriend is for, among other things.

Error: You are like a junkie trying to keep off crack, sooner or later you will want your ‘little-girl fix’.

Me: LOL! One flaw in that argument: you have to have had a certain drug at least once to become addicted to it. I did not even lose my virginity as a child to a girl, but to another boy. I have no interest whatsoever in young boys now, only men. It’s little girls I think are pretty.

No, it’s more like someone who swears off alcohol for health reasons, even though one has never had so much as a drop of the stuff. (Which, by the way, is something else I do. I am a teetotaller among other things. I can’t say I’ve never been tempted by it, but the health problems it can cause and the fact that it smells like ass helps make that easier.)

This is fun! I’m no longer getting upset at you. 🙂

Error: Countries have a legal system and prisons for people like yourself, these prisons ensure that when the pressures or victimisation from society become too much, or when the temptation for sick-minded people like yourself weighs too heavy – you can’t simply open the door and walk out.

Me: Temptation used to be a burden, when I was in denial. Years of giving it just enough attention and spiritual explorations coupled with my shyness and disinterest with most humans has made it easier with each passing week. I actually have it fairly easy for a pedo… some of my friends let themselves think of it as a burden. I’ve found the surprising truth… it doesn’t have to be! So I’ve been helping them try to find that same truth.

All your talk of prison amuses me, Error. What would they arrest me for? I haven’t done anything wrong, unless you count thought crimes. We don’t live in an Orwellian future just yet, Error. 🙂

Error: Normal, healthy-minded people don’t go out and abuse children just because they are victimised or called monsters. Humane people inherently know right from wrong. They don’t blame society for their own actions.

Me: Your comparison falls apart here. Most people are not pedophiles, so why would they abuse children because people say pedophiles are monsters? It doesn’t apply to them, so it’s not directed at them. Therefore, they don’t care.

Error: Just because you are, (for now), managing to keep your perverse urges in check – it doesn’t make you a hero.

Me: I didn’t say it had to. I just want to be treated as a human being, that’s all. I don’t know if you understand this or not, and I’m sure it sounds weird to hear me say it. No doubt you think I have ulterior motives. I don’t. I can’t lie to you… the thought of a society where I could have a relationship with a child is appealing. But I live in the real world, so I know it will never happen in my lifetime. No matter what I say or do, that will never happen. In fact, pushing for that will only hurt my true cause. Therefore, I don’t push for it. I push instead for my true cause: trying to get other human beings to treat other human beings with love and compassion, to heal the wounds that hurt everyone. I also help to try to get people to find God within themselves. I give people back to themselves.

Error: People who run into burning buildings to save others from flames are heros.

Me: Indeed.

Error: You are just a ‘kiddie junkie’ withdrawing in private.

Me: (Smiles) Your words are understandable, you think you know me. You are responding to the world according to how you were taught. While I’m saddened that you don’t seem to have the bravery to question things, look at all sides, and come to your own conclusions with an open heart, I have faith that you will some day. If not in this life, then in another. So, as Jesus said when he was hit, “here, hit the other cheek too.”

Error: The fact that you try to glorify your actions is sickening.

Me: Who said I was trying to glorify anything? And actions??? What actions??? I haven’t done anything, how can I glorify what I haven’t done?

Your perception of me and my words is being filtered through your belief that I am evil, regardless of what I say. I can only hope you’ll realize that I am just a human being. I’m not saying you have to believe me, I don’t care if you do or not… but I’m tired of people disregarding everything I say just because of what I am. Were I Joe Ordinary, you would no doubt at least consider my words with at least an attempt at understanding.

You’re talking to a human being, and you don’t seem to grasp that fact. Instead, you seem to think I’m the devil himself or something.

Error: In my books, there is no god who will give us redemption, because at the end of the day, all we have is here and now and ourselves to live with.

Me: You still think of God in the Judeo-Christian way, though. I am of the belief that all of Life and everything in it is a part of God. Therefore, God has no characteristics of an individual living entity. So I agree with you on that.

What I fail to understand is why, if you are not a Christian, you think I am a sinner even though I have done nothing illegal or even questionable? How can anything be Ultimately Wrong if you don’t believe in God? I thought all atheists were moral relativists? (Of course, all people are moral relativists, but most don’t want to admit it… but they can and do use God to justify anything, even the breaking of their own religious laws.)

But what I am trying to get across here is that I want you to look past the label of “pedophile” (which is inaccurate anyway, given the shift in definition it’s undergoing) and see that I am just a human being. Stop demonizing me, it just shows you’re still stuck in Judeo-Christian habits of behavior and thought. Can’t you just listen and at least consider the possibility that my concern for others as well as my concern for my own welfare can overpower any desire, no matter how strong?

Okay… different tack here. It seems we’re on completely different wavelengths. You think I’m here for one thing, and I’m not. I have said it plenty of times: I am just a human being, and all I want in life is to be treated as such, regardless of “thought crimes” I may have committed, because I cannot help my feelings. I cannot help falling in love with little girls. I tried denial, it got me nowhere fast. Denial only made everything worse for me.

I am not trying to justify anything. I don’t care if you agree with how I’m dealing with my “problem” or not… all I want is for you to look past the labels and the stereotypes and see me as a human being with thoughts, feelings, emotions… as a complex being just as all humans are. Giving simple and easy pre-formed answers to any group of people for any reason does not work. It’s akin to the media showing pictures of black people in the Katrina flood with things they found and calling it “…things they looted” when the same group shows a similar picture with white people and the caption says “…things they found.”

ALL PEOPLE ARE HUMAN BEINGS DESERVING OF THE SAME RIGHTS AND RESPECT. Treating them as criminals when they have not committed a crime is WRONG.

Error: When a pedophile or child molestor blames society for their sick behaviour, it’s a cop-out

Me: (Sigh) I never blamed anyone for any “behavior.” I’m just saying, some people are more suseptible to society’s lies and their own lust than others. YOU CANNOT STEREOTYPE ANYONE, stereotypes are rarely if ever true. Just because X amount of group Y do such-and-such doesn’t mean there aren’t exceptions. BLANKET STATEMENTS TEND TO SMOTHER PEOPLE TO DEATH.

Error: if they are influenced that readily to do behave in such a sick, destructive way, then all the more reason they should be behind bars – instead of being permitted to self-incarcerate themselves within the confines of their own home.

Me: Okay, I’m giving up on you. Your heart, if you even have one, is about as open as Fort Knox during an air raid.

Error: btw KaliKo Kat – you really donned your ‘Sunday Best Clothes’ when you came to this forum, your own blog is far more telling of your character.

Me: I am a human being, and therefore prone to frustration. I admit my own blog doesn’t always show the best side of me. Does yours show the best side of you? Oh right, I forgot, your Xanga blog is a sock puppet.

Error: If you are trying to avoid the temptation that looking at pictures of young girls presents, why do you link to a ‘Pre teen Luvers’ Ring Circle

Me: Because I have friends there, and because those friends are part of what’s called the childlove movement. Which is a movement of other conscientious pedosexuals.

Error: and post comments like ‘you’re so cute’ on the blogs of ‘little girls’?

Me: Now you’re really reaching… show me where I did this, please… I’m curious what makes you think I ever did this.

Error: Your words mean nothing – because your behaviour speaks for itself.

Me: You haven’t even seen my behavior, so how can you judge? All you’ve EVER seen is my words.

Error: You are right, there is no point in arguing with me, because you know full well that I wont fall for your bullshit.

Me: I love you anyway, because you are a fellow human being and a fellow part of God. Doesn’t mean I have to like you though.

Kat

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error404

September 14, 2005 at 3:08 am

KaliKo Kat – You are deriving far too much pleasure and attention from this cat and mouse game that we have been playing.

Your sociopathic banter does nothing to detract attention away from the fact that you get sexually turned on by innocent, little girls.

And yes – I make no apology in admitting that this ONE, vile, disgusting fact sickens me to the stomach and overshadows any other redeeming ‘qualities’ you may or may not have.

I don’t dehumanise you – your very public admittance of your mental sickness dehumanises you – that and the fact that you have this deluded belief that society will ever accept your perverse urges and fantasies as being normal.

KaliKo Kat: “… Oh right, I forgot, your Xanga blog is a sock puppet”.

I don’t have a Xanga blog, I couldn’t sign up with my user name error404 because some Xanga member had already taken it.

I only have a blogspot blog.

So what the hell you’re referring to by ‘sock puppet’ – I have no idea.

Nor do I wish to know.

Nor do I give a toss about whether you love me, hate me, like me, agree with me or disagree with me.

Your attempts to appeal to my senses in any way at all are an insult to your own intelligence.

A smarter pedophile would have known better than to even try.

Society has taught me nothing – but people like YOU have taught me a lot.

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Kaliko Kat

September 14, 2005 at 12:04 pm

Error: You are deriving far too much pleasure and attention from this cat and mouse game that we have been playing.

Me: Just because I am unperturbed by your comments does not mean that I am playing “cat and mouse” with you and deriving pleasure from it. Lately I have been jumping back and forth to and from my higher place (spiritually. It refers to the “place” in my understanding where I decide ahead of time to be happy no matter what happens).

As for cat and mouse, that would imply you were the mouse. I thought I was playing with another cat. I thought we were engaged in a friendly “cat-and-cat” game. I have no interest playing with mice, that’s just how I am. The people I most want to spend time with are fellow cats, regardless of their age. I have no patience for idiots. If I can’t have an intelligent conversation with someone, I do what I can to politely make sure they know I am not interested in trivial banter.

Error: Your sociopathic banter does nothing to detract attention away from the fact that you get sexually turned on by innocent, little girls.

Me: A sociopath is someone who hates people. I don’t. I just don’t have a lot of interest in most common people… they have very little of any interest to say. I hear words coming out of their mouths or fingers (typing) and there’s just very little substance to it most of the time. And I hate small talk.

As for getting turned on by little girls… you think I chose to be this way? With almost everyone in the world ready to disown me or even kill me if they knew my secret, even though I’ve committed no crime? You must think me suicidal and a glutton for punishment to believe that I would choose to be something so hated. No, I tried the denial thing, it didn’t work at all. I begged and pleaded to God for it to not be this way, night after night after night. I bawled my eyes out constantly and contemplated suicide on many occasions. I was depressed and ready to die, but I couldn’t go through with it… in the end, I was not selfish enough to kill myself. Because I knew if I did, my parents and my sister would be devastated.

Besides, innocence is largely a pipe dream of adults, a fancy word for ignorance. Kids are getting smarter and smarter all the time. I know, because I was one of them. I suck at math, but my IQ was always rather high. I didn’t do well in school, though, because I always felt insulted by the work they gave me… imagine being a sophomore in college and being given 1st grade homework, that’s kind of the way I felt. Even in college I knew more about the subjects than I was being “taught.” So I was a system-buster… someone on whom the education system failed utterly. And these kinds of people are quickly becoming the norm, with all the information barraging them.

There I’ve gone off on a tangent again… I do believe in innocence, though. But my definition of it is thus: a true innocent is one who sees the world the way it should be, the way it could be. They have an innate sense of right and wrong, though it doesn’t always agree with that of others. They start out in life treating others the way they would want to be treated, without even having been taught that philosophy. This means that they also trust implicitly, without question. I was one such child. And when I finally gained some small interest in other human beings outside of my family, my implicit trust was betrayed. I don’t even remember what the neighbor boy did that hurt me so, but he manipulated me and betrayed me. But as he was my age, I’m sure he was my first bully. Though not my last, by a long shot.

Given all that I have experienced, given that I’ve been constantly on the wrong end of a society where compassion and trust is viewed as a weakness, where pacifists are picked on, and where ideals are shat upon, it’s a miracle I’m doing as well as I am. It’s a miracle I haven’t gone insane and taken an oozie into a crowded public place.

I read something about the columbine killers that startled me, once. Their blog and their web site both raved against the evils of the world, against racism, sexism, classism, and all the other crap that people do. It was an exhibition of the ideals of youth. It showed me that Dylan and his friend were true innocents, that they saw the world the way it should be and could be.
But something went wrong. They had no one who would listen to them. No one cared. Their parents were never home, the teachers did nothing to stop the bullies or the help them deal with the bullies, and they had no other friends. They knew their mission in life was to be a mirror to show humanity to itself. I’m sure they wanted to do it peacefully, given everything their site said, but they understandably snapped. Funny thing is, they succeeded in their life mission, though I’m sure that’s not how they wanted to do it. But in a world where TV says that violence will get people to listen (ie, gunshots and guns to shut people up so they’ll listen to the hero as he tells what’s going on) and no one is listening, no one is telling you any different, is it any wonder that went nuts?

Error: And yes – I make no apology in admitting that this ONE, vile, disgusting fact sickens me to the stomach and overshadows any other redeeming ‘qualities’ you may or may not have.

Me: When then I pity you. I pity you that something a person can’t help but be will so turn your heart to hatred. (Sighs)

Error: I don’t dehumanise you – your very public admittance of your mental sickness dehumanises you

Me: No it does not. I have at least 15 friends who are not pedophiles, some of them are parents, who know my secret and can look past it.

Error: that and the fact that you have this deluded belief that society will ever accept your perverse urges and fantasies as being normal.

Me: Maybe they won’t accept the fantasies as normal, you may be right. But I don’t really expect them to. As I have said countless times, all I want is to be treated as a human being.

Question for you = If pedophilia is a mental illness, then why is it treated as it is? Schizophrenia is a mental illness too, and people no longer kill schizophrenics. Why should one mental illness be treated different than any other? Don’t you see the problem here? You’re being a hypocrite.

Error: I don’t have a Xanga blog, I couldn’t sign up with my user name error404 because some Xanga member had already taken it.

Me: Riiiight… so it’s all just coincidence that you and this other error404 are both flaming Antis and both have had contact with me. Sure, whatever.

Error: So what the hell you’re referring to by ’sock puppet’ – I have no idea.

Me: A “sock puppet” is a Net term for a username created just to troll around on a forum, or to offer support to an argument. Makes it look like lots of people are agreeing with you, when all those usernames are run by you.

Error: Nor do I give a toss about whether you love me, hate me, like me, agree with me or disagree with me.

Me: Fine by me.

Error: Your attempts to appeal to my senses in any way at all are an insult to your own intelligence.

Me: Appeal to your senses???

Error: A smarter pedophile would have known better than to even try. Society has taught me nothing – but people like YOU have taught me a lot.

Me: I’m sorry that is your perspective. I’m truly sorry that your only experience with pedophiles was with one who was such a misguided and stupid fool. I apologize on his or her behalf. But answer me this: are you this quick to judge a whole group by one individual for other groups as well? If you got mugged by a black man, would you hate all blacks? If a transvestite shot you in the leg, would you hate all transvestites? If a punk rocker accidentally broke your stereo, would you then turn your venom towards all punk rockers?

My point is as it always has been – it is wrong to judge a whole group by the stupid actions of one individual.

Kat

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Trench

September 14, 2005 at 12:11 pm

Pedophile:I read something about the columbine killers that startled me, once. Their blog and their web site both raved against the evils of the world, against racism, sexism, classism, and all the other crap that people do. It was an exhibition of the ideals of youth. It showed me that Dylan and his friend were true innocents, that they saw the world the way it should be and could be.
But something went wrong. They had no one who would listen to them. No one cared. Their parents were never home, the teachers did nothing to stop the bullies or the help them deal with the bullies, and they had no other friends.

You couldn’t be any more wrong. They were not bullied and they had plenty of friends and they were far from innocent. Not that you weren’t heading there anyway but you just bought yourself a one way ticket to Bansville. I was uncomfortable having a pedophile around here anyway.

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Kalvin Katz

September 14, 2005 at 12:56 pm

I don’t know what you were reading, but even the popular Media said they were constantly bullied, had no friends, and that their parents were never around.

Kat(z)

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Kalvin Katz

September 14, 2005 at 12:58 pm

Oh, by the way, great move, banning voices you disagree with. Nothing has changed in the world since Copernicus.

Kat(z)

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Trench

September 14, 2005 at 1:05 pm

You’re a sneaky bastard I’ll give you that. Popular media is wrong. Google for an article called “The Depressive and the Psychopath”.

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Trench

September 14, 2005 at 1:08 pm

I don’t ban voices that disagree with me. Only trolls and pedophiles.

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Kalvin Katz

September 14, 2005 at 1:52 pm

Trolls and pedophiles ARE voices you disagree with.

Kat(z)

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jim

September 14, 2005 at 5:56 pm

You shouldnt be banned from this site, you should be banned from oxygen. Mr Katz, you are a sick sick fuck. Death will be to kind a gift for a person like yourself.

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Alyric

September 14, 2005 at 7:59 pm

Twisted fuck-case doesn’t begin to describe you. Go fucking hang yourself, you sick shit.

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Alyric

September 14, 2005 at 8:01 pm

As an aside, I wish I hadn’t read (part of) this after supper. I’m ill now.

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ZappaCrappa

September 26, 2005 at 12:54 pm

OK Trench…I’m just learning to navigate around your site here and I come across this piece of work:shock: This guy CANNOT be for real!!!??? Katz…I am the parent of a beautiful young daughter. Your life expectancy would be about 5 seconds around me and my family. You REALLY expect us to be sympathetic? WOW!! Sub-human, waste of air….please stop using MY oxygen.

I would recommend professional help but I honestly believe that phsyciatry and the like is mainly junk science. I personally would recoomend a leap from a tall building, a razor blade, or some other form of suicide as an answer to your and OUR problem. No need to thank me for the advice…it’s free:wink:

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Jim

September 26, 2005 at 4:21 pm

I personally would recoomend a leap from a tall building, a razor blade , or some other form of suicide as an answer to your and OUR problem.

Remember, cut with the vein… not across it 😈

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Trench

September 26, 2005 at 4:25 pm

Down the road not across the street.

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Jim

September 26, 2005 at 4:42 pm

Here is another idea for the psychos who are afraid of pain. Take a near over dose of sleaping pills. Not enough to make you sick but plenty to make you sleap heavy.

About a half hour later take a big garbage bag, ballon it over your head and duct tape it around your neck.
dont forget to say goodnight to your favorite plushie
😆

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